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For those talking about CJ's perceived lack of a killer instinct, couldn't the same have been said about Barry??? IIRC, Barry wasn't known to be a firey leader/player, he just did his job, right?


I don't think so Wags. Barry was quiet, but he ran and played with passion and attitude, it just stopped at the goal-line - where he'd calmly lay the ball down.


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....they all outproduce CJ on a regular basis. Different teams? Doesn't matter. Different QBs? Doesn't matter. Different offense? Doesn't matter.


Sorry, this is a reddiculous line of argument.

Compare Moss in Oakland vs Moss in NE. Totally different. Football is a team sport. The play of one player is completely depedent on the others, for the most part. You cant have a dominate WR without a somewhat deccent QB, you can't have a decent QB without a decent line...etc.

I'm not saying don't trade CJ under any circumstances. If the price is right, trade him away by all means.

But you guys dumping on him for being a bad receiver are out of line. Most people around the league still consider him a top 10 WR.

Wait until Stafford and Burleson come back and the season progresses and the offense can start to gel a little bit. If he still doesn't produce, then you have a point.


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Just heard the one dude (Clayton?) on ESPN and he said Lions were in the mix early for VJax but pulled out when they heard the asking price.

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....they all outproduce CJ on a regular basis. Different teams? Doesn't matter. Different QBs? Doesn't matter. Different offense? Doesn't matter.


Sorry, this is a reddiculous line of argument.

Compare Moss in Oakland vs Moss in NE. Totally different. Football is a team sport. The play of one player is completely depedent on the others, for the most part. You cant have a dominate WR without a somewhat deccent QB, you can't have a decent QB without a decent line...etc.

I'm not saying don't trade CJ under any circumstances. If the price is right, trade him away by all means.

But you guys dumping on him for being a bad receiver are out of line. Most people around the league still consider him a top 10 WR.

Wait until Stafford and Burleson come back and the season progresses and the offense can start to gel a little bit. If he still doesn't produce, then you have a point.


Ridiculous? Really? Explain on Andre Johnson is hauling in so many passes in Houston. Their offensive line isn't All World, neither is their running back, neither is their QB. Their offensive system isn't unique or unstoppable, and opposing defenses treat him no different than CJ. So why is it that Andre Johnson simply produces each and every game? Why is it that?

When Moss was in Oakland he was extremely unhappy for many reasons, and he so much as said so. It wasn't just a football thing.

I'm not saying that CJ should be able to do it on his own. But the fact is he's had different QBs, different coordinators.....that's not a viable excuse because so have the other guys who've produced.

The biggest difference between CJ and the rest of them is personality. Those other players are DRIVEN to outdo everyone else on the field....not just the opposing team, but their teammates as well. I'm sorry, but that can't be said of Calvin. Is he talented? Hell yes. But this is the NFL, and EVERYONE is talented. You have to have something more....and I'm not quite sure CJ does. Roy Williams is talented, but look at his devil-may-care, it's-not-my-fault attitude and you can see why he doesn't produce. That attitude translates onto the field in the form of lack of desire. It doesn't mean he has to be a hard-nosed guy off the field. Chris Spielman was a great guy off the field. On the field he wanted to tear peoples heads off and sh!t down their neck....EVERY play.

So tell me Blueskies, if CJ is so good what is it that prevents him from being able to produce more? The defenses he faces are the same ones other number one receivers face and they still get the job done. CJ is getting paid as a top receiver, not to be a decoy.

I know I've read where people are saying to watch game tape, that he's open and the ball isn't going to him. When is he open? When the QB looks at him, or not until the QB has checked off on his route and looked elsewhere, causing the guy(s) covering him to let him go? Perhaps by CJ not going full out he's giving away that the ball is not coming his way, or at least he doesn't expect it to. I don't know the answer.

I do know this, the folks that were detractors about trading Roy Williams spoke of how he was going to tear it up in Dallas and that we would regret the move. Hmmm...don't think so. I know that people are saying that there WAS an impact by Roy leaving because the Lions went 0-16 that season and CJ didn't have a viable wingman any longer to take heat off him. Don't think so. Teams weren't concentrating on Roy Williams any more than they are Bryant Johnson, Nate Burleson or whoever. CJs production early on had to do with the offense forcing the ball so much because they were always behind VERY early in games.

Once again, for a team in the position the Lions are in, you cannot declare any player "hands off" when it comes to a trade. ABSOLUTELY no one, not even Stafford. If a team were to approach the Lions with an overwhelming offer, they would be fools NOT to take it. If it can put them in a position to get more talent at crucial positions on this team, then you do it.

What really bothers me is that the year the Lions drafted Calvin Johnson, Denver offered them an incredible package of picks over two drafts for the rights to move up and get him. It was something like six or seven draft picks total. Now, based on who was running the draft all those picks would have been wasted. There's no way the Lions get anything CLOSE to that kind of offer now. But I think the Lions could probably extract a first and third plus another pick from a team in desperate need for that last piece of the puzzle, providing it was a number one receiver.
Are you saying there's no way the Lions should at least consider that, let alone grab it and run? So what you would be saying is that once his contract is over the Lions would HAVE to give him the money he'd be looking for (likely to be the highest paid receiver in the NFL). Sorry, but until he starts doing more on the field, no thanks. Get what you can for him until you find someone that can fight through the double teams and who has the inner fire to succeed and win.

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Let me start my post by quoting another fan off of a neutral NFL message board:

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He(CJ) can produce. He hasn't because of the circumstances, i.e. being on the freaking Lions. Stafford is a half-decent QB who's been knocked out of so many games because he gets little to no protection, I think he and Johnson could make a good tandem if they had the time to hook up once in a while.


That's pretty much what everyone else around the league thinks. Granted, that's what everyone thought about Roy Williams, and you guys were right--I'll give credit where credit is due.

Maybe you're right and that CJ is Roy William 2.0 Maybe not. I think its too early to say. As I already said, wait until Burleson and Stafford come back.


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I think at minimum Blueskies, if we aren't going to throw to him he isn't worth anything anyways. They talk about "circumstances" yet I don't care who is covering him, if you don't throw the ball his way deep 4 times a game you're wasting your time paying him. I don't care how much coverage, with the rules the way they are they cannot inhibit him and he can out jump ANY player in the league not even limiting it to CB's and S's. We haven't even been doing that...

We are over thinking things. Get him sprinting down the field, lob it up, and let him Randy Moss catch it. If he can't then we know he isn't worth the money. Great WR's don't need to be open, so if he's great, use him like one. Then we will find out whether or not it's him or the Lions.

I don't buy the "situation" argument.

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are you seriouslly going to not give matt schaub props, after all he did throw for more yards last season than any other qb. and houston does have other weapons on the team so they cant just sit on andre. and arian foster is a good running back and so is slaton. so if you are going to come with a comparison to another team at least know the team you are talking about.

why is everybody writing off calvin like the season is over. Does nobody understand what the lions are trying to do. Defenses are going to focus on calvin until the lions show they have other viable threats. You guys are talking like there is one man manning up with him and he should be insta-open. come on. the lions are game planning to get all these other guys big games to show everybody that they do have other weapons that need to be respected and they are showing it.

also dont forget that shaun hill is our backup qb. and for all of you that dont know shaun hill he really likes throwing to the tight ends and running backs on check downs just look at him in san fran.

Its amazing that guys that thought he might be questionablly the best wr in the league 3 weeks ago turn and say he is a bum now. lol what a joke. and on that note im not even coming back into this thread and listening to this conversation right now. THERE HAS BEEN 2 GAMES PEOPLE. COMPARE CALVIN JOHSONS STATS IN THESE 2 WEEKS WITH RANDY MOSS. ANDRE JOHNSON HAD 3 RECEPTIONS FOR 33 YARDS IN WEEK 1. LETS HAVE THIS CONVERSATION IN WEEK 8 NOT WEEK 3


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are you seriouslly going to not give matt schaub props, after all he did throw for more yards last season than any other qb. and houston does have other weapons on the team so they cant just sit on andre. and arian foster is a good running back and so is slaton. so if you are going to come with a comparison to another team at least know the team you are talking about.


Do you really think it was all Matt Schaub in Houston? I think having a motivated Andre Johnson who is a human vacuum and knows how to get open had a little bit to do with Matt's success. I know the team I'm talking about, quite well. Slaton and Foster are not GREAT backs, now are they? No, they're good...but they have the benefit of being on the same team with Andre Johnson. And, despite the Texans having these running backs who are enjoying some success, the opposing DCs STILL do what they can to TRY and cover Andre...and he just doesn't let it happen. Sorry, but the whole "game planning" against CJ being the reason he can't get open or isn't producing is not acceptable to me. If you buy that, so be it.

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why is everybody writing off calvin like the season is over. Does nobody understand what the lions are trying to do. Defenses are going to focus on calvin until the lions show they have other viable threats. You guys are talking like there is one man manning up with him and he should be insta-open. come on. the lions are game planning to get all these other guys big games to show everybody that they do have other weapons that need to be respected and they are showing it.


Nobody is writing off Calvin. Nobody has said he has no talent. Nobody has said cut him, release him, trade him for a bag of popcorn, etc. What we ARE saying is that perhaps the Lions should consider the benefits of moving him and getting what they can for him to strengthen other positions which are REALLY the reason why we are losing. Have the Lions won with him? In three seasons prior, no. So what makes this season so freakin' different? So far, nothing. The Lions have until week six to do a trade. After that, he either stays on the team or gets cut. The latter is not an option. There may not be football next season. It's looking like that will definitely be the case. His contract is a six year deal, I believe. If there is a 2012 season, then he'll be in his contract year and no team will touch him for anything more than a third or fourth round pick. The Lions could get much, much more than that for him right now. And that's an angle that needs to be considered to improve this team. As Blueskies said, this is a TEAM sport....so why worry so much about keeping just one guy that hasn't played to his potential?

The Lions have not made vast improvements to their secondary in over a decade. Getting Louis Delmas was the first real player of quality that they took toward that end, and he is a better run support than pass coverage safety. Our secondary was a concern last year, the year before, the year before, etc., etc. We have special teams specialists starting at linebacker for us. A backup QB just hung 35 points on our defense....after being out of the league three years and barely seeing the field last season. Our defense has been the worst in the league for three years running, going on four. Why? And during that time the Lions have amassed the NFL's most embarrassing record over that time for a non-expansion team. They are already the record holders for a team having a road loss record, and I dare say they will likely break that record this season. During that time, they've had "superstar" receivers on their roster.

It's time to change the focus.

As I said before...the Lions are not paying Calvin to be a decoy, or at least they shouldn't be. If that's what they are doing, shame on them. And shame on him for allowing it. A MOTIVATED player would not just sit back and accept being used in that fashion. Sometimes selfishness is a good thing.

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also dont forget that shaun hill is our backup qb. and for all of you that dont know shaun hill he really likes throwing to the tight ends and running backs on check downs just look at him in san fran.


So then have Calvin run slants. Let Calvin be the check down. Let him run the 10 yard digs over the middle. With his size, Calvin should be able to block out a CB, S or even a LB quite easily. Ask yourself...why don't the Lions use Calvin over the short to intermediate middle of the field more? Is there something they know that we don't? Or, that is, some of us don't?

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Its amazing that guys that thought he might be questionablly the best wr in the league 3 weeks ago turn and say he is a bum now. lol what a joke. and on that note im not even coming back into this thread and listening to this conversation right now. THERE HAS BEEN 2 GAMES PEOPLE. COMPARE CALVIN JOHSONS STATS IN THESE 2 WEEKS WITH RANDY MOSS. ANDRE JOHNSON HAD 3 RECEPTIONS FOR 33 YARDS IN WEEK 1. LETS HAVE THIS CONVERSATION IN WEEK 8 NOT WEEK 3


Once again, nobody said he was a bum. Nobody said he has no talent. But not a single Lions fan can say that he's played up to his potential, his draft status or his contract. Not a single Lions fan can say that his presence on this team has equaled wins. Not a single fan can say that Calvin has made this offense an unstoppable force. And for the record, there were more than a couple of us who have said that CJ is an elite TALENT, but not yet an elite PLAYER. There's a difference.

And saying that "wait until Stafford and Burleson returns" will show how good Calvin is....that's just foolish. If the Lions offense gets better when they return, then it is THEM who are the difference makers, not Calvin.

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Just heard the one dude (Clayton?) on ESPN and he said Lions were in the mix early for VJax but pulled out when they heard the asking price.


Because they've reportedly wanted a first round pick and would consider an early 2nd rounder plus picks/players. That's a hefty asking price, considering some team is going to have to sign him to one heckuva deal AND he was suspended for 1/4 the season!!

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Just heard the one dude (Clayton?) on ESPN and he said Lions were in the mix early for VJax but pulled out when they heard the asking price.


First, I don't know that I trust this information.

But, let's say that's true. What does that tell you?

The Lions just inked Burleson to a $25 million contract. They already have uber talented Calvin....why look VJ? Or is it, perhaps, that the Lions FO doesn't feel THAT differently than those of us who are saying that trading CJ isn't something that can automatically be overlooked? I'd hate to think that the current administration in Allen Park is no different than the previous....that is, stock pile wide receivers like they were insulin and the rest of the world were diabetics.

Like I said, I don't really believe that the Lions were seriously interest....probably just nosing around. But, it does make one wonder....... :-k

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vankman79 wrote:
are you seriouslly going to not give matt schaub props, after all he did throw for more yards last season than any other qb. and houston does have other weapons on the team so they cant just sit on andre. and arian foster is a good running back and so is slaton. so if you are going to come with a comparison to another team at least know the team you are talking about.


Do you really think it was all Matt Schaub in Houston? I think having a motivated Andre Johnson who is a human vacuum and knows how to get open had a little bit to do with Matt's success. I know the team I'm talking about, quite well. Slaton and Foster are not GREAT backs, now are they? No, they're good...but they have the benefit of being on the same team with Andre Johnson. And, despite the Texans having these running backs who are enjoying some success, the opposing DCs STILL do what they can to TRY and cover Andre...and he just doesn't let it happen. Sorry, but the whole "game planning" against CJ being the reason he can't get open or isn't producing is not acceptable to me. If you buy that, so be it.

vankman79 wrote:
why is everybody writing off calvin like the season is over. Does nobody understand what the lions are trying to do. Defenses are going to focus on calvin until the lions show they have other viable threats. You guys are talking like there is one man manning up with him and he should be insta-open. come on. the lions are game planning to get all these other guys big games to show everybody that they do have other weapons that need to be respected and they are showing it.


Nobody is writing off Calvin. Nobody has said he has no talent. Nobody has said cut him, release him, trade him for a bag of popcorn, etc. What we ARE saying is that perhaps the Lions should consider the benefits of moving him and getting what they can for him to strengthen other positions which are REALLY the reason why we are losing. Have the Lions won with him? In three seasons prior, no. So what makes this season so freakin' different? So far, nothing. The Lions have until week six to do a trade. After that, he either stays on the team or gets cut. The latter is not an option. There may not be football next season. It's looking like that will definitely be the case. His contract is a six year deal, I believe. If there is a 2012 season, then he'll be in his contract year and no team will touch him for anything more than a third or fourth round pick. The Lions could get much, much more than that for him right now. And that's an angle that needs to be considered to improve this team. As Blueskies said, this is a TEAM sport....so why worry so much about keeping just one guy that hasn't played to his potential?

The Lions have not made vast improvements to their secondary in over a decade. Getting Louis Delmas was the first real player of quality that they took toward that end, and he is a better run support than pass coverage safety. Our secondary was a concern last year, the year before, the year before, etc., etc. We have special teams specialists starting at linebacker for us. A backup QB just hung 35 points on our defense....after being out of the league three years and barely seeing the field last season. Our defense has been the worst in the league for three years running, going on four. Why? And during that time the Lions have amassed the NFL's most embarrassing record over that time for a non-expansion team. They are already the record holders for a team having a road loss record, and I dare say they will likely break that record this season. During that time, they've had "superstar" receivers on their roster.

It's time to change the focus.

As I said before...the Lions are not paying Calvin to be a decoy, or at least they shouldn't be. If that's what they are doing, shame on them. And shame on him for allowing it. A MOTIVATED player would not just sit back and accept being used in that fashion. Sometimes selfishness is a good thing.

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also dont forget that shaun hill is our backup qb. and for all of you that dont know shaun hill he really likes throwing to the tight ends and running backs on check downs just look at him in san fran.


So then have Calvin run slants. Let Calvin be the check down. Let him run the 10 yard digs over the middle. With his size, Calvin should be able to block out a CB, S or even a LB quite easily. Ask yourself...why don't the Lions use Calvin over the short to intermediate middle of the field more? Is there something they know that we don't? Or, that is, some of us don't?

vankman79 wrote:
Its amazing that guys that thought he might be questionablly the best wr in the league 3 weeks ago turn and say he is a bum now. lol what a joke. and on that note im not even coming back into this thread and listening to this conversation right now. THERE HAS BEEN 2 GAMES PEOPLE. COMPARE CALVIN JOHSONS STATS IN THESE 2 WEEKS WITH RANDY MOSS. ANDRE JOHNSON HAD 3 RECEPTIONS FOR 33 YARDS IN WEEK 1. LETS HAVE THIS CONVERSATION IN WEEK 8 NOT WEEK 3


Once again, nobody said he was a bum. Nobody said he has no talent. But not a single Lions fan can say that he's played up to his potential, his draft status or his contract. Not a single Lions fan can say that his presence on this team has equaled wins. Not a single fan can say that Calvin has made this offense an unstoppable force. And for the record, there were more than a couple of us who have said that CJ is an elite TALENT, but not yet an elite PLAYER. There's a difference.

And saying that "wait until Stafford and Burleson returns" will show how good Calvin is....that's just foolish. If the Lions offense gets better when they return, then it is THEM who are the difference makers, not Calvin.


really matt schaub threw for 4770 yards with a 98 qb rating and andre johnson had only 1569 yards so who caught the other 3200 yards then. only 17 qbs in the league threw for over 3200 yards last season, only 10 threw for over 4000 and only 3 threw for over 4500 so dont try to bs anybody with that crap. schaub is one hell of a qb just look what he did on sunday. yeah andre johnson is one hell of a reciever and really helps on that offense with out a doubt, but for you to try saying that matt schaub isnt a good qb is a joke. foster, slaton, jacoby jones, kevin walter, and owen daniels are all proven threats so yeah teams try to take away andre johson but they also respect the others and you dont see 2 and 3 defenders on him at all times or even most times. enough of this texans crap any way we dont need to be cluttering up this thread with a horrible comparison that you made anyway.

here is the plain and simple way of putting it with calvin johnson right now. he has 2 and three guys paying a lot of attention to him. why are you going to just force the ball to a guy with that much attention when there are guys in single coverage or wide open. the lions game plan is simply to show that there are other viable threats that other teams are going to have to respect. and up to this last game against the eagles the lions havent proven there were any viable threats. now that best, and pettigrew went off when other teams look at game film they are going to see this and they are going to have to shift some attention to other players and thats what the coaching staff wants to do early in the season. teams arent just going to respect guys because of their reputation they have to prove it and thats what the lions are trying to do. its that simple.

plus shaun hill is the qb right now, our BACK UP qb. shaun hill just dont have chemistry with calvin and he has always thrown a lot of passes to his tight ends and running backs on check downs. thats the way shaun hill plays and always have played so thats half the problem right there.


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M2K - your logic with giving Staff and Nate props if CJ sees more success with them back, and not giving CJ any props, is ludicrous. So, how about when Orlando Pace was out, Matt, Birk, Steve Hutchinson, Walter Jones, or any of those stud lineman? How did their RBs and QBs look? It's the same thing.

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vankman79 wrote:
are you seriouslly going to not give matt schaub props, after all he did throw for more yards last season than any other qb. and houston does have other weapons on the team so they cant just sit on andre. and arian foster is a good running back and so is slaton. so if you are going to come with a comparison to another team at least know the team you are talking about.


Do you really think it was all Matt Schaub in Houston? I think having a motivated Andre Johnson who is a human vacuum and knows how to get open had a little bit to do with Matt's success. I know the team I'm talking about, quite well. Slaton and Foster are not GREAT backs, now are they? No, they're good...but they have the benefit of being on the same team with Andre Johnson. And, despite the Texans having these running backs who are enjoying some success, the opposing DCs STILL do what they can to TRY and cover Andre...and he just doesn't let it happen. Sorry, but the whole "game planning" against CJ being the reason he can't get open or isn't producing is not acceptable to me. If you buy that, so be it.

vankman79 wrote:
why is everybody writing off calvin like the season is over. Does nobody understand what the lions are trying to do. Defenses are going to focus on calvin until the lions show they have other viable threats. You guys are talking like there is one man manning up with him and he should be insta-open. come on. the lions are game planning to get all these other guys big games to show everybody that they do have other weapons that need to be respected and they are showing it.


Nobody is writing off Calvin. Nobody has said he has no talent. Nobody has said cut him, release him, trade him for a bag of popcorn, etc. What we ARE saying is that perhaps the Lions should consider the benefits of moving him and getting what they can for him to strengthen other positions which are REALLY the reason why we are losing. Have the Lions won with him? In three seasons prior, no. So what makes this season so freakin' different? So far, nothing. The Lions have until week six to do a trade. After that, he either stays on the team or gets cut. The latter is not an option. There may not be football next season. It's looking like that will definitely be the case. His contract is a six year deal, I believe. If there is a 2012 season, then he'll be in his contract year and no team will touch him for anything more than a third or fourth round pick. The Lions could get much, much more than that for him right now. And that's an angle that needs to be considered to improve this team. As Blueskies said, this is a TEAM sport....so why worry so much about keeping just one guy that hasn't played to his potential?

The Lions have not made vast improvements to their secondary in over a decade. Getting Louis Delmas was the first real player of quality that they took toward that end, and he is a better run support than pass coverage safety. Our secondary was a concern last year, the year before, the year before, etc., etc. We have special teams specialists starting at linebacker for us. A backup QB just hung 35 points on our defense....after being out of the league three years and barely seeing the field last season. Our defense has been the worst in the league for three years running, going on four. Why? And during that time the Lions have amassed the NFL's most embarrassing record over that time for a non-expansion team. They are already the record holders for a team having a road loss record, and I dare say they will likely break that record this season. During that time, they've had "superstar" receivers on their roster.

It's time to change the focus.

As I said before...the Lions are not paying Calvin to be a decoy, or at least they shouldn't be. If that's what they are doing, shame on them. And shame on him for allowing it. A MOTIVATED player would not just sit back and accept being used in that fashion. Sometimes selfishness is a good thing.

vankman79 wrote:
also dont forget that shaun hill is our backup qb. and for all of you that dont know shaun hill he really likes throwing to the tight ends and running backs on check downs just look at him in san fran.


So then have Calvin run slants. Let Calvin be the check down. Let him run the 10 yard digs over the middle. With his size, Calvin should be able to block out a CB, S or even a LB quite easily. Ask yourself...why don't the Lions use Calvin over the short to intermediate middle of the field more? Is there something they know that we don't? Or, that is, some of us don't?

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Its amazing that guys that thought he might be questionablly the best wr in the league 3 weeks ago turn and say he is a bum now. lol what a joke. and on that note im not even coming back into this thread and listening to this conversation right now. THERE HAS BEEN 2 GAMES PEOPLE. COMPARE CALVIN JOHSONS STATS IN THESE 2 WEEKS WITH RANDY MOSS. ANDRE JOHNSON HAD 3 RECEPTIONS FOR 33 YARDS IN WEEK 1. LETS HAVE THIS CONVERSATION IN WEEK 8 NOT WEEK 3


Once again, nobody said he was a bum. Nobody said he has no talent. But not a single Lions fan can say that he's played up to his potential, his draft status or his contract. Not a single Lions fan can say that his presence on this team has equaled wins. Not a single fan can say that Calvin has made this offense an unstoppable force. And for the record, there were more than a couple of us who have said that CJ is an elite TALENT, but not yet an elite PLAYER. There's a difference.

And saying that "wait until Stafford and Burleson returns" will show how good Calvin is....that's just foolish. If the Lions offense gets better when they return, then it is THEM who are the difference makers, not Calvin.


There is so much fail in this post.....wow....

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WOW! What a hot button! :shock:

The animosity in here is so thick, you'd need a rescue team to get out.....

Randy Moss has been quoted as saying he wants OUT of NE after this year, he doesn't believe he's appreciated or well liked, regardless of what he does on the field. With the fact that Detroit is proving that we are climbing out of the basement, would there be a chance for us to catch his attention? He'd be back in the NFCN, and with an up and coming organization that is only a few key players from breaking into the playoffs (NOTICE I SAID PLAYOFFS), and it might just be the kind of challenge he'd like. Oh and he does have that KILLER INSTINCT, to go and get the ball.

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DevilDoc wrote:
WOW! What a hot button! :shock:

The animosity in here is so thick, you'd need a rescue team to get out.....

Randy Moss has been quoted as saying he wants OUT of NE after this year, he doesn't believe he's appreciated or well liked, regardless of what he does on the field. With the fact that Detroit is proving that we are climbing out of the basement, would there be a chance for us to catch his attention? He'd be back in the NFCN, and with an up and coming organization that is only a few key players from breaking into the playoffs (NOTICE I SAID PLAYOFFS), and it might just be the kind of challenge he'd like. Oh and he does have that KILLER INSTINCT, to go and get the ball.


Moss later said he didn't mean what he said and he wants to stay in NE. They're working towards an extension, according to Kirwan on Sirius radio.

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